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Corn states the only ones not to ask EPA to temporarily waive ethanol RFS

GasBuddy Blog -- U.S. Senator Pat Toomey recently requested the EPA relax the requirements to blend an increasing amount of ethanol into gasoline. The RFS has mandated the use of corn-based ethanol in the United States since 2008. These standards require the use of 13.2 billion gallons of that ethanol in 2012 and 13.8 billion gallons in 2013.

In a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Sen. Toomey and six other senators asked the EPA not increase the renewable fuel standard in 2013 and keep it at the 2012 level, in response to the widespread drought. None of the Senators hailed from states that produce an abundance of corn.

Other letters to the EPA covering the same topic have included bipartisan lawmakers, so this is seemingly a "duh...

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Submitted Aug 16, 2012 By: PD

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DucatiRider Rookie Author Maryland Posts:70 Points:1,200 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 10:27:54 AM Ignore DucatiRider Report Abuse I've got a crazy idea -- This is a democracy, correct? Or at least supposed to be? Why not give people a choice rather than a mandate. Sell both at gas stations, watch what people buy. I've seen so many gas stations that sell E85 and no one buys it because it is more expensive per unit of energy.
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:36,860 Points:3,985,930 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 3:02:55 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse Wow! rjhenn and I agree on something! I have tried straight gasoline and E10 gasoline in several vehicles over the years. In every vehicle except the flex fuel one, mpg has been 10% lower with E10 fuel. Thus adding ethanol to gasoline is like adding water to soup. It adds volume, but not more energy.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 5:19:35 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse slicerette - "When Obama mandated that U.S. gov't Flexfuel Vehicles must used e85, U.S. gov't fuel consumption went up." Quite likely, since you get less mpg from alcohol than from regular gasoline. The real question is, how did their oil consumption change. That could go either way, though it seems most likely that they simply spent more money and used about the same amount of oil. Corn ethanol doesn't appear to be a viable path to reduced dependency on foreign oil.
slicerette Champion Author South Bend Posts:3,525 Points:541,205 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 12:13:11 PM Ignore slicerette Report Abuse It gets worse - our gasoline prices went up this summer as the price of ethanol went up because of the drought. And if we are driving less and using less fuel but Obama's EPA is mandating that in 2013 - More ethanol has to be put in less gasoline, then more E15 blender pumps will be installed and more mandates that Flexfuel vehicles must use e85. When Obama mandated that U.S. gov't Flexfuel Vehicles must used e85, U.S. gov't fuel consumption went up. Please Pres. Obama stop the increase of ethanol for 2013. [Edited by: slicerette at 9/27/2012 1:16:10 PM EST]
pricewar Champion Author Ogden Posts:1,950 Points:275,440 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:33:25 PM Ignore pricewar Report Abuse there goes my supply of tortillas
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,336 Points:507,900 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 8:23:19 AM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse easy to see they are not team "America" players...not having "ethanol" money to contribute to all the politicians would be devastating.
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:40:02 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse plain old greed
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,124 Points:293,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 9:26:24 AM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse profits
99dakota Champion Author Providence Posts:8,117 Points:2,173,975 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 6:45:49 AM Ignore 99dakota Report Abuse What a coincidence!
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,448 Points:1,326,225 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 3:48:33 PM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse For the first time in a while they have a great price and market for their corn. Why should they help dismantle it?
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 10:31:37 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse still greed
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,448 Points:1,326,225 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:16:59 AM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Well...knock me over with a feather.
DesertRat2011 Champion Author Riverside Posts:3,623 Points:486,780 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 5:49:19 PM Ignore DesertRat2011 Report Abuse Ethanol can be made from other sugars so why pin it to only corn!!
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,124 Points:293,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 2:56:04 PM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse food for fuel , not a good idea. we have oil fields that are huge in the midwest , but it is on national parks land. it is time to open these up and use our energy that we have. and not send the oil we drill overseas. we want energy independence, but we will not do what has to be done.
nevaeh04 Rookie Author Texas Posts:82 Points:172,155 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 10:17:36 AM Ignore nevaeh04 Report Abuse wow
99dakota Champion Author Providence Posts:8,117 Points:2,173,975 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 7:18:33 AM Ignore 99dakota Report Abuse Wonder why...
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,448 Points:1,326,225 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 8:57:13 PM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Oh Corn States: Ask not what you can do for your country...but ask what can my country do for me! Answer? Put more corn in your tank. Drive up that price!!
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:8,730 Points:1,582,425 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 8:31:30 PM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse Well then, the feed corn should go for feed not ethanol. [Edited by: PaylessKY at 9/3/2012 9:33:49 PM EST]
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 5:33:29 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse They don't use that kind of corn for ethanol. They use feed corn.
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,448 Points:1,326,225 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 10:26:26 AM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse I just ate some corn on the cob. Best ever. Let's keep that corn out of my gas tank!
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 10:07:24 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse not good
stonecold5005 All-Star Author Waco Posts:817 Points:20,240 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 8:11:20 AM Ignore stonecold5005 Report Abuse good
baddog58 Champion Author Texas Posts:1,190 Points:701,745 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 2:54:06 PM Ignore baddog58 Report Abuse Hello!!! Our current, and hopefully outgoing, president is from one of those corn states. Good luck getting any change in requirements.
rocket_ron Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:6,291 Points:1,987,470 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 11:10:10 AM Ignore rocket_ron Report Abuse K
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 4:55:29 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse txrojo: shows your smart understanding of how government works.
txrojo2005 All-Star Author Austin Posts:767 Points:480,475 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 12:22:53 PM Ignore txrojo2005 Report Abuse Abolish all subsides.
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,124 Points:293,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 9:47:15 AM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse food for fuel not a good idea .
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 8:21:40 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse remove it all
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 6:59:23 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse we know, EtOH has never been the answer.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 6:58:36 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse geeez... why do we think that is? Politics at its best?!
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,124 Points:293,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:36:30 AM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse food for fuel not a good idea.
csblesson Champion Author Texas Posts:1,821 Points:354,100 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:36:28 AM Ignore csblesson Report Abuse Good
Marson Champion Author Scranton Posts:8,952 Points:2,079,135 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 9:58:21 PM Ignore Marson Report Abuse The time is right to eliminate the ethanol debacle.
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,305 Points:1,464,545 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 6:28:28 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse This is part of Agenda 21 and destroying the U.S. way of life and yes Congress through the years has give up its powers to agencies and now it is biting them in the A.....
TableTalk Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,184 Points:557,950 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 5:27:44 PM Ignore TableTalk Report Abuse Where's my free choice? Where's my E0?
boldrph Champion Author Topeka Posts:18,382 Points:3,452,615 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 3:41:17 PM Ignore boldrph Report Abuse time to end the bush-era ethanol mandate and the stupid tax break
RoadKing95 Champion Author San Jose Posts:20,564 Points:3,604,215 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:44:32 PM Ignore RoadKing95 Report Abuse PTBpricer , you do know that the 15% mandate was from GW Bush, don't you? So by voting for change you must mean you'll be NOT voting Rebublican. Me too!
FuelBarge Champion Author Long Island Posts:9,205 Points:2,077,265 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:40:17 PM Ignore FuelBarge Report Abuse This ethanol mandate needs to go. Besides not being an energy independent product (you need oil to farm the corn and oil to provide energy to make ethanol), we are suffering a loss of feed corn.
PTBpricer Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,539 Points:207,170 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:27:24 PM Ignore PTBpricer Report Abuse This EPA mandate and the stubbornness of not logically reducing or eliminating it is enough to make me vote for change in 2012.
DeeLA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,823 Points:1,366,305 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:23:26 PM Ignore DeeLA Report Abuse Old News.
Gas_Buzzer Champion Author South Carolina Posts:14,161 Points:2,594,365 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:18:27 PM Ignore Gas_Buzzer Report Abuse EPA = Everyone's Pain (in the) Ass. RFS = Really Flaky (and) Stupid
3mta3 All-Star Author Michigan Posts:830 Points:1,004,115 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:14:00 PM Ignore 3mta3 Report Abuse There shouldn't be a mandate on ethanol mixixng. It should be market driven. But I guess "Big Brother" nows what's best for us.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:07:31 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse To answer the question: they should remove the mandate completely, until there are reliable sources of ethanol produced from non-food crops, such as algae, switchgrass or hemp. Even then, the level of the mandate should track available supply. This whole affair simply demonstrates another major source of our current problems: too many hands out without thinking of what's good for the country as a whole.
tonoplast All-Star Author Lexington Posts:823 Points:449,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:07:09 PM Ignore tonoplast Report Abuse Politics trumps common sense, as usual.
ace12012 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:1,675 Points:325,885 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:05:30 PM Ignore ace12012 Report Abuse read it before.
Bonanza Champion Author Boston Posts:12,093 Points:2,551,980 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:03:05 PM Ignore Bonanza Report Abuse Yesterday's news
ScottTee Champion Author Detroit Posts:4,396 Points:1,064,570 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:00:14 PM Ignore ScottTee Report Abuse temporary? I say make it permanent.
19sheldon43 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,979 Points:843,010 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:00:07 PM Ignore 19sheldon43 Report Abuse Just another reason we don't get anywhere. In other words no progress
Lizzylou Champion Author Stockton Posts:8,818 Points:2,357,285 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 1:57:58 PM Ignore Lizzylou Report Abuse How many really use ethanol anyway???
snappytom2 Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:3,556 Points:274,995 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 1:55:50 PM Ignore snappytom2 Report Abuse Would you expect it to be otherwise?