honda0105

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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2012 6:02:34 AM
logical step maybe. Savings for the consumer? Definitely not.
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ss70

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 9:29:40 AM
Good for big rigs as of yesterday. In using natgas for cars we are behind even india and pakistan.
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Amplion

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 3:06:02 AM
UNSAFE !!!
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LanguageMan1

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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 12:06:18 AM
Yes, and only one part of what's needed. It's ALL needed.
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SammyAdams

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 9:46:11 PM
From the article: "Another argument states that damming interrupts the flow of rivers and can harm local ecosystems, and building large dams and reservoirs often involves displacing people and wildlife. However, unconventional hydropower using currents, waves, and tidal energy to produce electricity is less disruptive and qualifies as renewable."
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The problem with energy production is that WE THE SHEEPLE allow the "greenies" to use fearmongering tactics to destroy energy production and the economy with it. Almost EVERY form of energy has this extreme environmental movement in some sort of opposition and politicians willing to accept campaign donations for their services to destroy our country.
The above cited example is only one of the myriad of their exaggerated claims used to bolster promotion of their religion. And you can believe that worship of "Mother Earth" is at the very heart of this movement. These hypocrites can usually be seen driving a carbon emitting vehicle sporting a bumper sticker advising us to fight smog by riding a horse.
Twenty years ago "nuclear" energy was the big boogeyman. Nuclear energy is still one of the safest and cleanest forms of energy yet devised, but that is NOT what BO and his "greenies" truly desire. Rather, they prefer the complete shutting down of our economy. Since everything runs on ENERGY, this is what they are attacking.
Today the big energy menace is "Coal" which provides the least expensive cost of electricity generation. Once they become successful in forcing coal down the proverbial memory hole, natural gas will become the next target. Until YOU and I put a stop to this and elect Congress Critters who will start thinking national security and use a little common sense when faced with these false eco-claims, things will only worsen.
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FuelishGuy

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Edmonton
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 8:00:18 PM
Hate to say it but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it.
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RalphHightower

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 6:18:00 PM
A power company will convert their coal-fired plant to natural gas and then shut that plant down when another nuclear plant goes online. Lake landmark to come down
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Fitwit

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Stockton
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 12:12:34 PM
There doesn't seem to be a consensus on this issue.
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Soglaos

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:57:25 AM
No it is NOT!
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Van_Halen

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:53:45 AM
. HELLO! That and Drilling, Nuclear, and Coal!
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Bigtex09

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:51:01 AM
yes it is!
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TRYWI

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:38:21 AM
You think?
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BudsterMO

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:07:44 AM
There is a huge opportunity for an auntrapraneur to provide the CNG original equipment and home refuelling equipment at same as gasoline engine prices; which would remove the cost and refuelling objections from the market place. Once the user base grows the oil and gas Companies would add CNG refuelling stations at their gasoline stations.
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toxigas

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:01:52 AM
There is a reason why the authors spend words about whether the definition of "renewables" should include hydropower. But they don't come right out and say what the real ramification is.
If you separate out "conventional" dam-based hydropower -- most of which was built decades ago -- but leave in "unconventional" wave/tidal/current and the other renewables (wind, solar, etc.) then it becomes starkly obvious that renewables are the fastest growing sector.
Yes, renewables are currently the smallest contributor, but their growth rate is strongest and their impact is growing. One need only look at Germany which currently generates roughly 9% of its total energy from renewables (does not include dam-based hydro). There, the contribution from renewables has dramatically altered the price of electricity, in turn affecting the profitability of fossil fuels (especially coal, but which is also dragged by petroleum because of transportation costs).
The authors of this article skirt around the big issue -- renewables increasingly threaten the profitability of fossil fuels. Instead they reach for a more comfortable conclusion (use more natural gas).
Natural gas has a role to play, but long term I don't think it is as important as the authors suggest.
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TXryder

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:01:07 AM
Wish there was a simple and economical way of converting your auto to run on NG. But then find locations to refuel could be a problem unless you have NG in your home.
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bobsalwaysmt

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:55:52 AM
How about MANDATING that Utilities make it available to their customers. They have a monoply but won't run it 500+ yards to my house from the nearest "main".
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ARCO

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:51:51 AM
KEEP USING IT
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jat60

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:44:06 AM
Stevedog wrote: "40 years ago there was abundant availability of oil. Things change"
This is true. There's still a lot of oil in the ground, but what's left is harder to reach, and more expensive to produce. This trend will continue. Eventually oil won't be a feasible means of providing our society's energy needs. This lesson should be applied to natural gas as well. It's becoming more attractive in the near term; but it's also a finite supply, and years from now will be in shorter supply.
Natural gas is a fine short term solution. Ultimately we need a long term sustainable answer, though. The problem with politicians is that for decades, they've been saying "worry about what we need to get through the next 10-20 years, and 'someone else' will figure out the future". It's sad that people can't think beyond their own wallets (or political careers).
[Edited by: jat60 at 7/23/2012 11:46:11 AM EST]
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tes283

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:42:21 AM
We need to get off oil, so this is one way.
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zaq001

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:41:46 AM
cool
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TWS658

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Portland
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:40:46 AM
The energy companies do not want to change the infrastructure, they want the government to make the change.
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regasaz

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:35:27 AM
Bring it on............ would expect to see Municipal usage leading the way.
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Homito

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:34:30 AM
if there would be enough natural gas stations.
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Homito

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:34:12 AM
I would rather consider natural gas.
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Homito

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:33:52 AM
we are hostages of the big economic predators.
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bullfrog69

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:33:26 AM
When you only get half the milage, then What tha HELL do ya expect!
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ROSYMI

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:33:01 AM
we will see how long it takes
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Car54BC08

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:30:44 AM
I think we are just too lazy to change.
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ktbaeohana

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:29:58 AM
watch and see.
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lonewolfhead

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:29:15 AM
ok
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deaconjones

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:28:07 AM
MAYBE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.....BUT NOT TODAY.....KICK OUT NOBAMA AND OPEN UP ALL DRILLING AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT.....
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fieldt

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:28:04 AM
Bring it. Gotta be better than wind and solar have worked out so far.
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VernonOR

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:27:18 AM
Alternative energy is the way to go.
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Stevedog

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:27:03 AM
40 years ago there was abundant availability of oil. Things change
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caddilac

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:26:36 AM
"Natural Gas is the Next Logical Step in US Energy"
Don't confuse people with logic.
Logic is way beyond some peoples comprehension.
To some people, if it isn't powered by gasoline then they don't want any part of it, so to offer up anything logical is lost on them because they are closed minded.
[Edited by: caddilac at 7/23/2012 11:30:44 AM EST]
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91Explorer

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:26:05 AM
CNG has had some structural problems with the vehicle market
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unicornpmb

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:25:50 AM
We are slow to change. Maybe someday, but not now.
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F81M

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:25:47 AM
Gas Buzzer really has it right!
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Samo1961

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:25:31 AM
NG is the only true answer.
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stueyAZ

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:24:32 AM
Greeeaaaat!!
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FedupwithGreed

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Victoria
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:23:01 AM
OK
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IMLURCH

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:22:54 AM
They can't make the excessive profits this way
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goalie1950

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:22:28 AM
Thirty years from now, the experts will say that there was a missed opportunity to develop the use of natural gas. Just like the missed opportunity forty years ago to have the automakers bring high mpg vehicles to market. We wouldn't be the high price of gasoline situation today if they had more of a vision as to what the future might be.
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MightyDude

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:21:45 AM
sounds reasonable
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Topshopper2011

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:20:33 AM
True
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mikesr11

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:20:02 AM
THAT'S TODAYS STORY - WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE PRICE IF WE REALLY BECAME DEPENDENT ON IT. GREED!
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FunMyster

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:19:16 AM
I agree.
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fatfed

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:19:03 AM
I think it is also
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pmanning7843

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:18:04 AM
ok
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werv4fun

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:17:49 AM
Wait until the Democrat Progresives figure a way to tax it until we can't afford it!
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